May 11, 1995.  Received book from R. Kiess called, "The Schwalbe und die Obrigkeit" by Angelika Bischoff-Luithlen. Wonderful book.  She apparently hails from Feldstetten.  Also Mr. Kiess enclosed copies of some of the pages of another of her writtings about the history of Feldstetten and Laichingen, though he did not enclose pages from the L. history.  Very enlightening.  I wrote him a 1 1/2 page letter this date.
May 14 Wrote 2-page letter to the Lieb family at 14 Albstrasse in Dettingen asking for his Ahnentafel and told him of my intentions of researching the Lieb Family.  Also asked him for history on the Gasthof Hirsch, whether it still exists there today.  If a list of the prior owners exists and might be available for me.
May 16 Ca. 5 hrs.  LDS.  Used Computor to find MFs for Schopfloch, Dettingen, Durrwangen, Wildberg, Pfullingen and Bullingen by Aachen (for cousin Richard's ancestors, which is now, since 1918 a part of Belgium and the documents are in French).  I had no luck using the Ancestral File to find Lieb pedigrees.  Used the IGI and found all the many children born of a Jonathan Martin Lieb, Expert Saddlemaker, and Maria Agnes.  He was the son of Samuel Christoph Lieb which the latter was the pastor who did the marriage ceremonies 16 Dec. 1729.Then next year on 25 October, S.C.Lieb did the same for his youngest son, Johann Erhard Lieb, Barber, the son born in 1706 to his 2nd wife, Dorothea Magdelena Weber. Both these men married in Schopfloch. (Earlier, in 1715, the firstborn  son of S.C. Lieb, Johann Friedrich Lieb (our ancestor) married in Dettingen. J.F. Lieb and Jonathan M. Lieb raised their families in Dettingen. Whether Johann Erhard did this is not known to me at this time. (Ed. note: He stayed in Schopfloch).
    Through the IGI I printed out all the children born to Jonathan and Maria Agatha, born Golimar; the birth years went from 1733 thru 1759, all in Dettingen, with the exception of one, born in Schopfloch.
    Found on map location of Wildberg, b.place of Johann Christoph Lieb.  His father was Johannes Lieb; nothing more regarding his parentage.  Found dob of son, Samuel C. Lieb of 22 Oct. 1660 in Pfullingen (source of this date?  Prob. on IGI.) M. date of parents was 21 Oct. 1659 in Pfullingen.  Wife is Marie Margarete Bansovius of Tübingen (this was known earlier).

    Samuel Christoph Lieb may have married in Dürrwangen, so. of Wildberg, because his son, J.F. Lieb was bom there in 1692.  His wife was Anna Margarethe Eberhardt, born 3 Jan. 1660 in Nürtingen (where this is have not yet discovered).  Found her dob on IGI.  Her parents were Hans Jacob Eberhardt and Anna Dorothea, born Schopper.
    Found also that the list of Pfarrers from 1557-1803 in Schopfioch appears on the Tauf-Ehe-Toten Books.  That will show me when J.C.Lieb served there as Pastor and perhaps when he died.
    In the afternoon, I studied the 2nd M.F. of Mundingen.  Found a small very early Familien Register, which began around 1740.  Found first wife of Wolfgang F. Blifers to be Eva Maria, born Angler from Tubingen.  She had a girl, Anna Sabine born on 16 Feb. 1722 in Mundingen, who later married a Friderich Bolay.  So sometime between 1722 and 1733  (when Anna Elisabeth, mother of Felicitas, was born), Eva Maria presumably died, and W.F. Blifers remarried. Jeremias Haydt, the first Haydt in Mundingen, married 1771 in Pfullingen, "8 Tage vor Fastnacht" (Feb.?).

May 18. 3 1/2 hrs.  LDS.  Ordered 8 microfilms: Dettingen, Pfullingen, Durrwangen and Schopfloch.  Found death date of Eva Maria Blifers, on 27 Sept. 1727 in Mundingen.  He remarried in about 1732 and apparently somewhere outside of Mundingen, for I found no marriage entry in the years following first wife's death. The  first child born in this 2nd marriage was our Anna Elisabetha 24 Aug. 1733.  New wife is Anna Agnes, born Kuser.
    Found death date for Anna Elisabetha - then Fischer - of 12 Nov, 1803.  She was then a widow.  Could not find death date of her 2nd husband, Elias Fischer.
    Found death date of Jacob Breymayer of 16 Feb. 1668.  Photocopied this as well as death and birth entries of Anna Elisabetha above. His son Jacob, born 26 Mar. 1654, married on 22 Oct 1678. His other son, Johannes, born 26 Mar. 1658 (died 1722), m.during this time period. His wife was Maria, dau of Mathias Breymayer.  I found three other children, all girls, born between 1652 and1641, sisters of Jacob and Johannes.  Jacob was shown as Gemeindepfleger in year 1684.
    The Mundingen population figures from 1661-1670 ranges from 63 to 70 souls.  In 1664 there were three Breymayer couples in Mundingen: Matthias and Barbara; Martin and Catharina and Jacob and Catharina.

23 May 2 hrs.  LDS.  I found death date for Georg Breymayer: 30 Sept. 1704.  Born 1 Feb. 1660 (found b. entry), but parents were Martin and Catharina Breymayer, not Jacob.  I am confused and frustrated.  Perhaps Jacob (Sr) was not our ancestor.  I could not find the marriage entry for George and Maria.  I could not find another George, son of Jacob Sr.  The George Breymayer who inherited or bought the Haus # 7 property in 1713 obviously was not the George who died in 1704.He was shown as former Burgeremeister.  And I found no death entry for George (of Haus # 7) who reportedly died in ca. 1725 and whose widow then sold prop. to son Friderich.?? Perhaps this info is in the M.F. I ordered for 3 weeks and returned.  It may have recorded data of people who were not "citizens" of Mundingen, "Auswärtigen Leute"??  R. Kiess states on p. 259 that Friderich Breymayer came from Lauterach?  What does this mean?
    Searched death of Elias Schwenk, from 1800-1830.  Nothing!  What happened to this Elias??  Found birth and death dates of Catharina Breymayer, widow of Jacob.  Entered this onto charts, but in view of above, may not matter!!  She was born 24 Dec. 1620 in Böttingen, Münsingen Amt.  Father was Jacob Götz.  Mother was Elisabetha.  Catharina d. 12  Oct.1687.

May 26. 3 hrs.  LDS.  Five M.F.s came in.  Began search in the Lieb lineage.  Durrwangen microfilm.  No Liebs there before Samuel Christ.  Lieb arrives as pastor in 1690.  He served there 1690-1700.  This was entered by the replacing pastor(?) and then he added, "Dann remotus in Diaconian Ebingensem".  Does that mean a latinized name for Ebingen, a town just east of Durrwangen?
    Found the five children born there in Dürrwangen, including ancestor, Johann Friderich.  All copied and entered onto charts. The five children were three girls, two boys.  The other boy was named Samuel.  The mother, Anna Margarethe died sometime between 1699, when her dau.  Maria Elisabetha was born, and when S.C.Lieb marrys in 1705 in Esslingen and takes over pastorate in Schopfloch that same year.
  Dettingen/Erms M.F.# 1. Taufen from 1571 forward.  No Lieb name here until 1718 when the first child of Johann Friderich Lieb and wife, Maria Agnes Gwinner was born.  Nine children born from 1718-1733.  All names entered onto charts.  The M.F. of births ends in this year.  Next week, I will continue with the following MF to see if more children were born in this union.  What was most interesting is that no Lieb family was here until J.Friderich married and moved there in May 1715!
    On Feb. 16, 1728, a Christian Martin, was born to a Maria Agatha Gollmar.  The father was Jonathan Martin Lieb, brother of J. Friderich.  Jonathan and Maria Agatha married in Dec. of the following year in Schopfloch.  The birth was marked as "illegitimate."!  So now we have two Lieb families in Dettingen.
    Maria Agatha's father was Johann Gollmar, Gerichtsverwandten in Dettingen, and in 1718 was Burgermeister. He appeared many times as Godfather for J. Friderich and wife.
    The apparently complete  record of Jonathan Martin Lieb's children are documented on print-outs earlier from the IGI computer ROM., though it really is not complete in that it did not include the child born before the 1728 marriage.  Also, the computer print-outs begin with the birth of a child on 27 Apr. 1733.   That child died in infancy the same year.  But these Morman documents do not record this kind of data, only that a birth occurred.  What is strange here is that Jonathan and wife continued having children from 1727 thru. 1759, a period of 32 years!?? I must find his death document to confirm that his father was Johann Christoph Lieb.  If so, and that seems the case, he was born many years after his brother, our direct ancestor, Johann Friderich!!
May 30. 4 hrs.  LDS.  Schopfloch MF.  Johann Christoph Lieb was not a pastor in Schopfloch.  I have misread the entry in 1728 when his son, Jonathan Martin Lieb married.  I found no death entries for him.  The Schopfloch MF. is short due to a small population.(Ed. note: anyone confused?  I was at that time, but I eventually sorted everything out.)
    Found all children born to J. Erhard Lieb and entered these onto a Fam.  Record.  His first wife apparently died ca. 1743.  New wife Anna Catharina began having children then in 1745.  Ten babies born between 1734 and 1752.  Only one boy lived to probably marry; a Johann Friderich, born 23 Mar. 1742.
    Dettingen M.F. containing death entries.  Found several death dates and entered onto charts.  Most important perhaps was that of Johann Friderich Lieb, our direct ancestor and son of Samuel C. Lieb.  He died 18 Dec. 1755 at age of 63 years, 9 months.
May 31. 2 1/2 hrs.LDS. Earlier in the morning I was studying the question about Samuel C. Lieb and his father, Johann C. Lieb, and S.C. Lieb's brother, Johathan Martin Lieb, who married in 1728.  Then in a flash, something occurred to me.  Jonathan was not a brother of Samuel C. Lieb .... he was a nephew!!  The Herr Johann Christoph Lieb, clergyman, the father of Jonathan shown in the marriage entry in 1728 was almost certainly the brother of Samuel C. Lieb.  In other words, Johann Cristoph Lieb had--at least--two sons born around 1660..... Samuel Christoph and Johann Christoph (Jr.) and both became clergymen.(Ed. note: Wrong!)  This explains in part why the pastor, when their mother died in 1721 wrote after the death entry, "Welche Parent!" She had raised two sons who became ministers.  The Pfullingen M.F,s will surely confirm this and give me the occupation of the father of these sons, Johann C. Lieb, senior.  If not also a clergyman, he will surely show to have had a high status profession.
    At LDS in the Feldstetten MF, I tried to find the outcome of Andreas, born 1717, son of Bernhard.  Found no marriage or death. Also the Laichingen M.F. showed no marriage for him.
    Discovered that Johannes, brother of Cunrad, who died in Dec. 1732, had a son born posthumusly on 14 Apr.1733.  His widow, Anna, remarried once again May 10, 1734. This son, Johannes, married on Oct. 15, 1754 to a Anna Margarethe Mack.  He was only age 22.

    I searched for first marriage of Ursula, the first wife on our Cunrad.  Am not positive, but think I have the correct Jerg Reuber whom she first married (there were two in Feldstetten at that time).  The m. date was Oct. 28, 1724 seven years before her 2nd marriage to Cunrad.  She had 2 or 3 babies in this first marriage .... all died as infants.
    In Laichingen, M.F. I confirmed that George, born 9 Feb. 1669, was in fact born to our Andreas and Barbara.  I then entered him onto the Fam.  Record.  Must do this later on the Schwenk Ancestry Chart.  Earlier, I had thought that the parents were the "other Andreas and Barbara Schwenk" in Laichingen.

 Updated and corrected Schwenk Paternal Ancestry Chart this date W. Proc. file.

June I Ca. 3 hrs.  LDS.  Dettingen MF.  Toten 1747-1884.  Johannes Schwenk was called "Hirschwirt" in death entry 8 Apr. 1831 of stillborn child.
    Found death entry of Maria Agnes Müller, mother of Maria Barbara Lieb.  Her 2nd husband was deceased when she died in Dettingen, 22 Apr. 1853.  Husband was Jacob Müller. She died of "old age."
    Our Johan Friderich Lieb, b. 1692 m. 1715 was a surgeon.  One son, Johannes also a Surgeon.  His son, Johannes, also a surgeon!!  The latter was born 23 May 1772 to "Herr Johannes Lieb, Chirunga.  Mother was Elisabetha, born Reusch.  This is the year that Mr. Lieb's (whom I wrote to) ggg-grandfather was born.  It may this same Johannes!!
    I searched the children born to our S. C. Lieb (b. 1733) and found them and filled out a Family Record.  Could not find death entry for Samuel Christoph Lieb.
    Back to the Johannes Lieb, surgeon, above.  Another child was born earlier, 16 Jan. 1768 to this Herr Joh.  Lieb, Chiringu.  The Godfather was Joh.  Erhard Lieb, Sattler.  This would be the son of Jonathan Martin Lieb.  So the occupation was handed down.
    In year 1763, 80 births recorded in Dettingen.  At this time there was another surgeon by the name of Christoph Adam Lieb.  He was Godfather to his namesake, son of our Sam. C. Lieb born 30 July 1758 (d. 8 Nov. 1827).  Who was C.A. Lieb to our S.C. Lieb? Our J.F. Lieb (b. 1692) had a son Christoph Adam, but birth entry showed death as infant.  Perhaps I misread this, and perhaps he survived and became a surgeon like his father and brother. (Ed. note: He did. A cross symbol entered by the name in a birth register did not always mean the person died as infant.)
June 7. 3 hrs.  LDS.  Pfullingen M.Fs arrived.  Found birth entry of our Samuel Christoph Lieb.  Pastor spelled it Lib for him, his father and grandfather.  Just Lib.  P.copied this document.  From it I learned that father, Johann Christoph, addressed as "Herr" was Deacon to this church.  His father Johann from Wildberg was "Burger und Gerichtsverwandte." He was also addressed as "Herr".  Also a Herr was Joachim Christoph Bansovius of Pfullingen.  His occ. shows as "Keller".  A Kellerer is one who, I think, deals in wine.  Probably the name Christoph, repeated so often in the future, comes from this man
    Found only one other child born in this marriage.  And that is strange, for it leaves the question of whose father the later Lieb is!!??  Found a girl, Maria Margaretha born on 21 Dec. 1662. I searched thru 1681 with no other children found.  There was at this time, having children regularly a Simon Peter Lieb and wife Anna Johanna.  No occ. shown nor "Herr" used before his name.  Related? brother to J. C. Lieb?
    Found marriage doc. of Joh.  C. Lieb and wife Maria Margaretha and p.copied this. Actually the info re. the parents come from this document, not the birth of our S.C.Lieb. I searched for marriage of Samuel C. Lieb and Anna Margarethe Eberhardt but fouind nothing in Pfullingen.  I had assumed they had married there in about 1689-1690.  Perhaps they married in her town of Nürtingen, just n. of Dettingen?  They arrived in Durrwangen between April and Aug. 1690.
June 8. 2 hrs.  LDS.  Dettingen Taufen.  Went through all births of parents Jonathan Martin Lieb.  Already had this family record from the IGI but wanted to see how many died as infants.  Birth entries gave me death dates of some.  While doing this, found birth of Jacob Friderich Handel, 25 July 1751 which gave me his parents (that was what we were missing).  Father: Jung Johannes Handel (no occ. shown) and Maria Agnes, (b.  Lieb I think).

    Johann Friderich Lieb, b. 1774.  Wanted to see the occupation entered as his many children were born and these events were recorded. . 1801, Bauer. 1808, "des Raths". 1808 as "Rathsverwandter". 1816, as "Gemeindepfleger" and with the last child born in 1824, again as Gemeindepfleger.  There was then only one reference to the Wirtschaft Hirsch with the 'des Wirths'.
    Johannes Schwenk.  Occupations.  In birth of Maria Agnes F. 1830, "Sattler u. Hirschwirth".  Four Tauf-Zeugen. One was sister, "Elisabeth Schwenk Ampfer, Forsteramt in Wittlingen.  She served again on 21 July 1832 when Elias was born, but not later in 1834 when J. Friedrich was born.  Found Wittlingen on map.  About 9 km  SE.of Dettingen.  This is where Elisabeth must have raised her family.  Husband, J. Frid. Ampfer was a Forster and or gamekeeper there and that shows on their marriage entry.

    Searched Durrwangen again for marriage of J.C. Lieb.  None found.  His entries into the church books begin just before his first christening in Aug. 1690.
June 12.       2 hrs.  LDS.  Little found.  See notebook.
June 14. 3 hrs.  LDS.  Found death date of Agnes, widow of J.F. Lieb, Surgeon and Zollar.  Died 22 Aug. 1772 at age of 73 years 8 months.
    Wife of Jonathan M. Lieb, a Maria Agatha, died 11 Feb. 1777.  Her derived d.o.b. then was 24 Feb. 1707.  Within one year, Jonathan Martin Lieb, Sattler, died: 9 Jan. 1778.  His derived dob was 5 Oct. 1701. I then went to Schopfloch MF.  Found no birth entry!  If his father Joh.  Cristoph Lieb and Uncle M. S. C. Lieb were raised in Tübingen, I may find his dob there.  I am not really interested in this Jonathan Lieb, but rather his father, the brother of our Sam.  Christ.  Lieb.  Ordered 3 MFs of Tübingen today and one of Ebingen.
    Found death entry for Herr Johannes Handel, Müller and Rathsverwandte.  Died 10 Mar. 1778; derived dob is Oct. 25, 1695.  Then found this which gave me his parents names.  Father also Johannes Handel; no occ. shown.  The Herr Johannes Handel is father of our Jacob Friderich Handel.  All the above entered onto charts.
June 19 1 1/2 hrs.  LDS.  Wildberg MF.  Search marriage of Johannes Lieb or Lib.  Started at 1636 and worked back to begin of 1614.  No family name of that type found.  In death reg. in 1632 15 Sept. found a Hans Lieben, father of Barbara who died that date??  This is a much bigger community than I had thought - two to three times that of Feldstetten.  The 30 yr. war did not seem to reek the havoc here.
Tues June 20. 3 hrs.  LDS.  Tuebingen MF.  Taufen 1562-1671.  Searched for addl. children of Joh.  Christ.  Lieb. Found nothing from 1663 thru ca. 1670.  No liebs found.  Tübingen has indexs for Taufen and Toten (?).  Two fathers, Hans Ulrich and Johann Ulrich Lieb appear in the Tauf.  Reg. pg. 588 and 557 respectively.  Did not look those up.  Not one Schwenk in this large city!  Several Blifers.

 June 20 1995 Tübingen Taufen 1672-1719. Found exact birthdate of Wolfgang Fridrich Blifers. Entered into charts and made a Family Record because I found 4 siblings. His father is Georg Fridrich Blifers, mother is Eva Sabina, born ? Georg is a bookbinder This may explain how W.F. Blifers became well educated and was Pfarrer in Mundingen.   Date of birth of George F. Blifers is 20 March 1656. His father, also a bookbinder, is Arnold Fridrich Blifers, mother is Anna Barbara, born ? No lieb family in theTübingen Tauf Reg. 1558-1562 (there is an Index.).
    Ebingen MF. To my great delight I found parentage of Jonathan Martin Lieb!  His father was Samuel Christ. Lieb. Born 6 Oct. 1701. He then was their 6th child and the last born to mother Anna Margaretha.  She died in Ebingen 8 Feb. 1705. Photocopied both these documents.  So as the church books of Durrwangen indicated, S.C. Lieb either moved to Ebingen, or at least served that church there (in the capacity as Diaconus) from end of 1699 or early 1700 until his wife died Feb. 1705. He then appears in Schopfloch in about May 1705 as Pfarrer. He remarried in Esslingen later in the year (see doc. in file for the date). I found no marriage entry of Joh. C. Lieb and his first wife in the Ebingen Ehe Reg. They may have married in Nürtingen just before 1690, her place of birth
    The death entry of Anna Margaretha showed her age as " 40 years, 2 months." This does not track with the IGI printout for her which gives a birth year of 1660 in Nürtingen.??? One of the two sources is incorrect.   Only the marriage entry would reveal the correct parentage and prob. place of birth for her. I am very close to concluding research on the Lieb line. It would be nice to find Johannes Lieb in Wildberg!
June 22 1995 1½  hrs. LDS. 3 hrs. on June 21; both days looking for info on Johannes Lieb  in Wildberg. Search death entries from 1630 thru end of 1647. No luck. Did find following: "4 July 1635 Johannes, Johannes Lieben Töcherlein ein _________(prob. totgeborenes)  sieben wöchig kind".  This is probably our Johannes, father of Sam. Christ. Lieb. At this time period there was in Wildberg a Hans Lieben and Johann Lieben.  The Hans Lieben or Liebe was Burgermeister at that time. These might be brothers of our Johannes.
   Under Ehen, found following: "22 Sept 1635, Johannes   Löblin , Burgers und Wittwer allhier, und Anna, Jerg Kollers Burgers zu ??  eheliche Tochter."  I ended the search of marriages the end of 1640. I had begun searching marriages from 1618.  No luck other then seeing the above person. This is almost certainly not our Johannes.
  The Pest-Plague was really taking its toll in around 1635 as well as the 30 Yr.War. One approx. 40 yr. old close friend of the pastor died and was buried with one of his children which had died same date. One married couple died the same day.  Many soldiers appear in the death register, some unknown. Many babies shown only as "Soldats Kind". These kind of entries were not experienced by me in the Mundingen, Laichingen, Feldstetten MFs because those records did not reach back (were destroyed?) this far. I am expecting one more MF of Tubingen - the death records to 1705. That will be my last search in the Lieb line. And I doubt if it will show anything because Herr Johann Christoph Lieb apparently did not serve as pastor or deaconus in Tubingen after leaving Pfullingen. Perhaps he went to  Nurtingen (and son S.C Lieb may have married there because his first wife reportedly was born there...however the dob shown on  the IGI printout does not jive with the age shown on her death entry!!). I think the Schwenk/Lieb/Breymayer reseach is done. Now to get on with the writing of the story. Schwenk 7 generations are done except for the editing.
June 28 1 hr. Tübingen M.F. of Toten 1596-1705 came in. Found no death of Johann C. Lieb. He must have gone somewhere else from Pfullingen to take over a pastorate. Did find death entry on 21 Sept 1664 a 10 yr old daughter of Arnold Fridrich Blifers, name of Maria Elisabetha. think I am through with the Lieb search.
July 3  Monday. Last Friday rec'd letter from Richard Schwenk sent from the Black Forest. He met a Heinrich Christoff Schwenk in Laichingen who showed him his family tree. It revealed 3 brothers of our Andreas and other dates and names. This stimulated  me to go to the Laichingen MFs again. I did that today.    Found death entry of our Patriarch Conrad Schwenk "the Great". Died on 23 Feb 1686. P.copied. Sent Heinrich a copy of this along with a copy of his Hans Jacob Schwenk's marriage entry (ed. note  Bernhard was his ancestor not Hans Jacob. I learned this shortly after this July 3rd  diary entry was made) which I had copied several months ago but at the time did not know if this Schwenk was a son of our Conrad.
    Went thru marriage entries from 1660 thru 1685 noting in my note book Schwenk men marrying. Found m. dates of Bernhard and Joh. Heinrich, brothers of our Andreas.   I learned what "zugenannt" really means: Does not mean "so-called". It means "this is part of the family name" more or less.E.g. Heinrich Schwenk married (3rd wife) Anna, dau. of Hans Schwenk zugenannt Schreiner. This jives with what Richard S. learned in Laichingen. Said the phone book list about 51 Schwenk names and varieties of this name. Some were Schwenk-Edel, Schwenk-Mezger, Schwenk-Schreiner. Don't know if these names are hyphenated or not.

    Tried to find connection for Elsbeth. Thought I finally found it today, but now not certain at all. Found that Hans Jacob Schwenk had son named Conrad. Found that this son married  on 16 June 1685. Expected to find a son named Conrad born to this union. None so-far. You see, Peter Schwenk, b. ca. 1719, father was Conrad, mother was Anna Maria. They were m. 1711. That doc. shows father of Conrad to be also a Conrad. The problem is that this father of Peter could not have been born later than say 1690. Went thru the Taufbuch 1685-1696 approx. Found no Conrad child born to Conrad, son of Hans Jacob.??
 5 July 3 hrs. LDS. Traced and put on F.R.charts families of Bernhard & Anna Mack. This is brother of our Andreas. Did the same with Heinrich & Anna Schwenk-Schreiner. In the course of this I found other families with added names: Schwenk Metzger, Schwenk Edel; Schwenk Schreiner.
    Recorded 4 children born to Georg Schwenk and Ursula, he son of our Andreas. Children born bet. 6 Nov. 1690 thru 9 March 1697. Must have been their last child. Went through 1709 with no addl. children born to this couple.  The following day found their wedding date: 6 Oct. 1689. Entered onto Andreas' F.R.
   Found 2nd m. of Conrad, son of our Andreas. m. Appolonia Mangoldt on 25 Oct 1729.    On 3 Oct. 1691 Magdalena, unmarried daughter of Joh. Jacob Schwenk (bro. of our Andreas) born a daughter, Anna Maria. Godfather was Conrad, son of Andreas.

July 6    LDS. 3 3/4 hrs. Pursued search for connection to Elsbeth. Found finally the m. entry of her anc. Peter Schwenk and Christina Gaus. 1 Aug. 1752. His fau. Petri. Her father not named but smudgy entry after her name looks like "von Böttingen." " which tracks with what I had several months ago surmised. I then recorded all 9 (?) children and put on a F.R. chart. Their son, Jacob, had been recorded earlier and p.copy of that entry sent to Elsbeth. My search for the Peter's b date from 1720 thru 1732 yielded nothing. Petri's occupation, again not really readable looks like, "Soldat". Perhaps Peter was not born in Laichingen??
   Found all three marriages of Heinrich Schwenk and photocopied these to be sent to Heinrich Schwenk in Laichingen. His first m.  copy was already sent him by me. The one in 1668. updated info on the Schwenk P. Ancestry Charts.
July 7  3 hrs LDS; July 10 2 hrs;  July 11 3 hrs; July 12 3 hrs; July 13, 2 1/2 hrs;  On July 13th, I finally found Elsbeth's Urahn, Conrad Schwenk, Schreiner u. Heiligenpfleger. I had to surmise this because of no birth record of a George Schwenk, born circa 1650. I sent about 7-8 documents and 3 Family Record charts with a letter to Elsbeth the next day, I think.
July 15   About 3 hrs LDS entering my pedigree data into computer.
July 18 & 20.  About 5 1/2 hrs LDS "     "    "       "   "     ". Finished this. About 131 names of ancestors entered. Made no print-out copies yet. One hour on July 20th was spent  with the L. MF trying to find other brothers of George, son of Conrad Schwenk, Schreiner. Went thru Ehebuch 1657-1684. Many Schwenks married, but did not find the two other brothers of Georg.
24 July  3/4 hr. LDS. Laichingen. Found death entry of Barbara, widow of our Andreas Schwenk. d. 9 Oct. 1723 at age of 82 years, less 1 month. Derived dob: Nov. 1641. This is without doubt our Barbara. She, then, was born in same year as was her husband.
    Found a Jerg Schwenk, Burger und Messner, d. 6 Oct 1724 at age of 76 years, and 5 months. This Schwenk was one of the Schwenkglenks. Not of our clan nor of Elsbeth's. I was actually looking also for Elsbeth's George (Jerg) death date (as well as that of our Barbara).
July 26, 1995  LDS 2½  hrs. Went there to search out the Breymeyers, principally to find birth of Georg, the son of Jacob. Could never find this birth entry nor his m. date in earlier attempts. I had assumed for the past year that his father was Jacob because he is shown as co-owner of the original Hof des Klosters Urspring, he owning the part that belonged to Haus 7, the Hirsch, and his "brother" Johannes owning the much larger part of land. I finally found Georg's birth, in 1660; father is Martin, farmer and Heiligen Pfleger, as would Georg himself become. With this info, I was totally confused!!! and not certain that this Georg was the same Georg as was the father of our Friderich.
    In ca. 1660, there were three married couples having babies in Mundingen   with the Breymayer name: Jacob and Catharina; Matthias and Barbara; Martin and Catharina. These all may have been brothers; I have not dug this connection out yet.
    That evening, I restudied page 163 and 166 of Kiess book. Here are my conclusions. Jacob   died in ca 1668. The property, according to Kiess book, did not change hands then. In 1713 a Steuerkataster (tax land register), which shows in the same year on all 11 Höfe (estates or farms), shows it being divided among a Johannes and Georg.  But this  is our George and most likely Johannes, his son (b. 1683). At the same time period, Georg possessed the Maierhof (the large farm owned by Wurttemberg); his father turned it over to him in 1691. Then in 1710,  6 yrs. after death of Georg, his son buys half of the Lehen (lease, so to speak) from the widow of Georg.
    Now back to the Haus # 7 Hirsch property. Sometime between 1668 and 1713, this "Eigengut" came into the possession of Georg and son Johannes. I think that George was the nephew of old Jacob? Anyway, we do not trace back to Jacob, but to Martin; his father was Matthias Breymayer, born 1575-1580.
July 27  LDS 3½  hrs. Recorded all children born in five generations of our Breymeyers. At home, I made Family Records of these. One of the most interesting things found is that Anna, wife of our Patriarch Matthias, lived to age 102, died 5 Dec. 1681. Her son Martin died 1 Mar 1694 at age of 81. He had served as Judge 22 yrs, and many years as Heiligenpfleger. His son Georg and Maria had 14 children! Our Friderich b. 1700 was the last born who survived.
    Back to the Maierhof farm; in 1713 there are two possessors of this farm; still Johannes, son of Georg and now a Theus Breymayer (Jacob's son). It may well be that Maria, Johannes' mother, a widow, had died between 1710 and 1713, and thereby her half of the leased land had been sold to this Theus (a nickname or short name for Matthias (there appear at least 5 different spelling of this name). Theus, son of Jacob, was born Matthias on 25 June 1662.
   Our Martin's wife, Catharina, died 23 Nov 1671, after bearing 4 children. Martin was then age 58. Her
death entry gave no age or cause of death. He remarried on 16 June 1672 to a Maria, a widow of Hans Bopp from Attenweiler, Biberach Amt. Several of her children  came with the marriage, one boy and at least two girls, which at least one of those married into the Breymayer family. It seemed that many of the wives of the Breymayers came from this area south of the Danube R. This was not part of the Wurttemberg Duchy. I am about ready to start writing The Breymayer Branch story.

July 28   LDS 1½  hrs. Stumbled across Confirmation Pages in MF.  Luise born in Rosenau, Oberamt Herrenberg.!!! I confirmed also that our John and August were born in Kayh. So now we know Johannes & Maria had a Johannes in 1835, died as infant. Then Luise in 1836. Then perhaps in 1836-39 moved to Kayh. When did they move to Neuburg? Prob. before Elisabeth was born in Mundingen in 1846.
   Found death date of Felicitas, widow of our Friderich Breymayer, then later widow of Joh. Jerg Koz. Died 14 May 1767; a derived   dob is Feb. 1703. Found many other d. of death for many Breymayers.
   Discovered this AM in Kiess Book that Jacob Breymayer Sr. was son of a Matthias, hence brother of our Martin!!! This significant. The other Breymayer, contemporary of these two brothers  was a Matthias. He was not their brother because Matthias' daughter Maria married a Johannes Breymayer, son of Jacob Sr. in ca. 1780-85; Since intermarraige of first  cousins was not allowed, this means that Matthias was not brother of Jacob and our  Martin.  He could well have been first cousin with Jacob and Martin.

Aug 1 1995. 2 hrs LDS. Aug 3 2 hrs; Aug 17 1 hr; Aug. 22 1 hr. Aug. 29 2½  hr. Aug. 31 2½  hr. Sep. 5 2 3/4 hr; Sept. 6, 3 1/4 hr. Sept.7, 3½  hrs. I won't detail findings during each visit to library. this is all in note books anyway. A brief summary follows:   August 1 and 3, I concluded research of the Breymayer Family. Aug 17th I checked out a Maria Barbara Gerster in Mundingen. Her 1st cousin, Barbara Schwenk, dau of Friedrich, had written a poem for the wedding of Maria Barbara. Barbara had written this  presumbably from America. Maria Barbara was a daughter of Maria B.B. Schwenk who m. Jacob Mayer in ca 1861. Dr. Kiess had found the poem in Mundingen and sent a copy to me. Do I have this straight? see letter to Dr. Kiess on about this date.  Worked 2 or  3 days on the Heinrich Christoph Schwenk family. Made about 3-4 Fam. Rec. charts and sent him these (copies). He descended from Bernhard, bro. of our Andreas. Spent several days trying to check out my earlier findings on Elsbeth's ancestry. Thought that her George Schwenk may have descended from a Georg Schwenk Gelenks from Merklingen. Not so! Whether her Georg , b. ca. 1650, came from Conrad Schwenk Schreiner I am less than sure. He may have come from the Schwenk, bauer line. This problem drove me nuts. (Ed. note:  She did indeed descend from Conrad Schwenk Schreiner, 1610-1665).

Finally, I pulled myself away from this problem, and moved to trace the Hilsenbeck, Sauter, Mangold and Ostertag lines beginning on Aug. 31. Made good progress. Am nearly done. Just need a few more death dates. The Hilsenbeck (Jerg) came from Gingen near  Geislingen in ca 1649, acc. to the Feldstetten Booklet by Dr. Dieter. The Ostertags came from Nellingen after 30 Yrs War. And this checked out with what I found on MFs. Found several intermarriages of the Schwenks to the Mangolds and Ostertags. See charts. The following is the most astounding:

Conrad Schwenk 1601  >        Andreas  >          Bernhard >          Conrad 1702 m Anna Ursula Ostertag in 1771.   Conrad Schwenk 1601 >   Andreas >          George >          Anna Ursula Mangold >   Anna Maria Ostertag >          Anna Ursula Ostertag born 1749    marries Conrad Schwenk b. 1702 in 1771. Conrad is great-grandson of Conrad "the great"; Anna Ursula Ostertag is ggg-granddaughter of Conrad the great. These two are 2nd cousins, twice removed. One wonders if they knew their kinship relationship????